User:ShaneBuilding/Draft/Proposed Changes to 2b2t Wiki Staff 2023: Formatted results

The 2b2t Wiki document Proposed Changes to 2b2t Wiki Staff 2023 was created by D_loaded on 12 September, 2023 to track votes in the removal and addition of staff members to the 2b2t Wiki.

The document received a large number of contributions from newly registered Wiki users and the formatting of the document became messy as a result. It was decided by the Wiki coalition that no formatting edits should be made to the article during the vote, so this draft article has been created to create a cleanly formatted view of the original document, mirroring the votes cast on a one-to-one basis. Due to the heavily meta nature of this document it will likely be deleted upon review and serves only as a secondary source to aid the community in understanding the ongoing events.

Please do not edit this document to cast your votes, only edit it to duplicate an already cast vote from the original document. Any votes only present within this document will not be considered valid.

Demotion of Joey_Coconut1

The following votes have been cast regarding the demotion of Joey_Coconut1 as a 2b2t wiki staff member, totalling 24 votes for demotion and 57 votes against.

Wiki username	Vote decision	Date / time of vote (UTC)
lukent	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:40	Reason given I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team
Bills310	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:47	Reason given I support these changes, the timeline is becoming subjective, this isn't good and should be stopped
2b2t Union	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:50	Reason given I vote yes for demotion of Joey_Coconut and Galvatron. These users are horribly out of touch with the 2b2t wiki and have worked for years to unfairly censor/prosecute 2b2t players/groups such as c0mmie_, Clown, MrCK10, The Gulag, etc. They need to go.
SilverEyes2b2t	Against	12 September 2023, 23:51	Reason given I VOTE NO (Note: This user wrote several paragraphs which were too lengthy to transcribe here)
TakeoutMenu	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:52	Reason given I support these changes because the 2b2t wiki project has been stagnant for many years, failing to iterate upon itself and accurately represent the happenings within the 2b2t community. Bringing in new staff members will breathe life into the project, as well as bring in fresh perspectives towards documentation of the server.
Jakethesnake53	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:55	Reason given I support these changes
SoiledCold	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:57	Reason given I vote yes for demotion of Joey_Coconut and Galvatron.
12master	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:59	Reason given I support these changes.
EXM1LITARY	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:02	Reason given I Vote Yes, I support the changes because the spawnmasons have had control over the wiki since forever, its time for change.
Eaglevirtue	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:09	Reason given I vote yes, I will not look at some egotistical spawnmasons to think they are god and want to control the wiki.
ItsInvis	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:19	Reason given I vote yes, as if we want 2b2t's history to be open, the Spawn Masons should not hold absolute control over the wiki. The changes should be made.
D loaded	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:38	Reason given I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change
Bezopasan	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:43	Reason given I support the demotion of Joey_Coconut because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone.
rebane2001	Against	13 September 2023, 00:44	Reason given I vote NO for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. Joey_Coconut (Joey_Coconut1) has made thousands of invaluable contributions to the 2b2t Wiki, and I believe demoting him would severely harm the health of the wiki.
Yamez8	Against	13 September 2023, 00:47	Reason given I vote NO to the Joey_Coconut demotion. Joey seems to know the ins and outs of handling this, after hearing what actually goes in to being an admin or whatever, I don't know if the Wiki Coalition actually understands what it takes and that it's more than just swapping people around. There's a lot more responsibility than just overseeing the 2b2t wiki, such as communicating with miraheze and whatnot. Anybody promoted should be fully aware of the commitment and tasks they would be signing up for and it doesn't make sense to remove somebody who knows what needs done. I agree with more diversity but people can't just go in to this blind, with no real training or guidance.
VaydenPayne	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:55	Reason given I vote YES to demotion
CadeTwo	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:58	Reason given I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server.
Verydarkdorito	Against	13 September 2023, 00:59	Reason given I vote NO because I don't believe that Joey has contributed much to the wiki and there's not that much proof of him being that biased and irrational. Progress and balance on the wiki should be about promoting others not demoting others.
Deathstar784	Demotion	13 September 2023, 01:03	Reason given I Support this change.
rrdrock	Against	13 September 2023, 01:13	Reason given I vote NO for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. Joey has been a champion for this wiki, and to be honest, is the only reason it still exists in the form it is in today.
Sonnar180	Against	13 September 2023, 01:21	Reason given I vote NO for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. Joey_Coconut has proven himself to be a skilled administrator, and has spearheaded several initiatives to improve the wiki (Taking over Operation Wikipossible, providing research to writers). To remove him from a position of administration would be very harmful to the wiki's overall health.
Aresyl	Against	13 September 2023, 01:31	Reason given He’s made countless of contributions to the wiki and community over the past few years. He has connections to most 2b bases and has organized large community projects. One of the main individuals who kept the server interesting with community base builds during the long 1.12.2 stretch. I’ve never understood the beef people have with him. He’s a reasonable dude. He’s a joint leader for Astral with Galv and the two pair well. His connections with the SpawnMasons are loose. Most people are friends with most people regardless of groups on 2b unless your group is actively about destroying peoples work for the sake of doing so. You could say anyone is a “SpawnMason orbiter”. I think that designation is honestly irrelevant.
Whygoodboyg	Demotion	13 September 2023, 01:33	Reason given I agree with the demotion.
Blocker	Against	13 September 2023, 01:57	Reason given I vote NO. Joey has been the main driving factor behind this wiki and the main reason it is still functioning. He has a wide-reaching viewpoint over the community and while many have problems with him, I have never seen him be unfair about something or try to hide something that he doesn't necessarily agree with. I also think it is quite telling that this vote was brought up immediately after Joey started trying to revive the wiki and bring more people in. If the vote had happened a week ago, there would perhaps be more merit, but this seems to be a power play from people who have no real connection to the community at large than trying to actually reform the wiki.
Max1mumChr1s	Demotion	13 September 2023, 02:13	Reason given I vote yes to this change.
Hardboiledmegs	Against	13 September 2023, 02:15	Reason given I vote no for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. He has worked hard on this wiki in the past, and volunteers his time since the beginning to doing things with the community as a whole.
Osmobyte	Against	13 September 2023, 02:16	Reason given I vote no for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. He is one of the few prejune players who is still active in the community, and a viewpoint like his is one that should not be lost. Have we seen bias from him, yes. However, for certain views like the banning of Orsond, I disagree in any voice being shut down within the community. Nevertheless, He has the most experience and has put in many hours of effort into this project, and I feel his sudden removal would not be beneficial to the 2b2t wiki in any capacity.
Senko Foxx	Demotion	13 September 2023, 02:27	Reason given I vote yes on demotion
DefinitelyNotRpb	Against	13 September 2023, 02:25	Reason given I DO NOT support the changes because everyone making the proposed changes is a big stinky retard and should go back and crawl in their hole. The current admins could definitely make improvements to how they manage everything but the proposed changes are even worse and the biggest idiots have been suggested like Osmoshit and Toskshit. I vote to ban Osmobyte permanently and also vote to create 7garden on 9b9t
Orsond	Demotion	13 September 2023, 02:26	Reason given I vote YES to this motion.
EddyChong	Against	13 September 2023, 03:00	Reason given Joey had been contribute a lot and skilled administrator for 2b2t wiki so I dont see the point of removing / demote him. Fairly neutral as well for the cases that I saw.
Futsin1	Against	13 September 2023, 03:04	Reason given I vote No. Joey is the most dedicated admin, a strong writer, deeply knowledgeable about the server, and well-connected with the community. The wiki would not be as good as it is without his contributions.
DanDucky	Against	13 September 2023, 03:44	Reason given Joey has done a good job so far and has been neutral on every issue I've seen.
ShaneBuilding	Against	13 September 2023, 06:13	Reason given I vote NO to the demotion of Joey_Coconut1. Joey has single handedly contributed a large percentage of the Wiki contents. While it's important not to conflate being staff with being an editor, I believe it's important that this motion is for the betterment of the Wiki and community, rather than being an outright coup which goes from one group holding a monopoly to another group holding a monopoly. My hope is that by keeping Joey and bringing in new staff that the views of the Wiki get more balanced and the staff can find quorum in discussions involving controversial topics.
Ranlen	Against	13 September 2023, 06:40	Reason given the most active memeber of wiki team no point of demoting him
HermeticLock	Against	13 September 2023, 07:04	Reason given I vote no for the demotion of Joey_Coconut. though I may not agree with every decision he has made, I think that Joey's efforts have led to some great improvements to the wiki overall.
P529	Against	13 September 2023, 07:18	Reason given Joey has been an active editor for 4 years and from what I could see in the history was always aiming for this site to be as good as possible.
Jordanl666	Against	13 September 2023, 09:00	Reason given Joey had been contribute a lot and skilled administrator for 2b2t wiki so I dont see the point of removing / demote him. Fairly neutral as well for the cases that I saw.
S8n	Against	13 September 2023, 11:58	Reason given I vote no to the demotion of Joey_Coconut
Chiekn	Against	13 September 2023, 13:26	Reason given Joey is one of the only persons I know that has a real passion not only for the wiki, but also documenting history. I see no point in demoting such a person. The idea of this whole thing has been not targeting Joey's capability to run the wiki or administrate, but is targeted against a group. The motive behind this is badly formulated, and I stand against these demotions.
Steampunkjax1	Against	13 September 2023, 14:34	Reason given I vote that None of these changes should be done. The real bias on the wiki is all the people who started this vote. I have been contributing to this wiki for 3 years and I have never seen any bias in info used or put on a page by myself or any editor. Joey Galvatron and Leijurv should continue as staff and be the ones making the promotion Choices. Nothing should change due to this vote
Negative_Entropy	Against	13 September 2023, 16:21	Reason given I vote No to the demotion of Joey. I believe he has been keeping this wiki afloat, and it would be ridiculous to remove him for diversity reasons. Anyone is able to edit the wiki and i believe that the people claiming censorship have yet to provide examples that warrant the removal of his admin role.
NIgerianprince	Against	13 September 2023, 16:41	Reason given Joey has been keeping the wiki a float when others have not shown interest on it and i have not seen bias from him personally neither i have seen any proof of it so far.
Todarac	Against	13 September 2023, 16:54	Reason given Joey is single-handedly the most important person to the health of the 2b2t wiki. No one else has his level of dedication or passion. This is a thankless job and he does not get nearly as much credit as he should.
Travisimo	Demotion	13 September 2023, 17:12	Reason given I vote yes for all changes
A1fastyellowgto	Demotion	13 September 2023, 17:38	Reason given I vote yes for demotion of Joey_Coconut. These users are horribly out of touch with the 2b2t wiki and have worked for years to unfairly censor/prosecute 2b2t players/groups such as c0mmie_, Clown, MrCK10, The Gulag, etc. They need to go.
Raaanch	Against	13 September 2023, 18:01	Reason given No
Leijurv	Against	13 September 2023, 18:23	Reason given I've had a conversation with D_loaded on Discord after seeing myself listed on this vote. We spoke at length, and my conclusion is that this is D_loaded is pursuing a vendetta rooted in personal dislike of myself, Joey, and the SpawnMasons. I tried at length to figure out exactly what the accusations of improper behavior are, but D_loaded's claims did not stand up to even basic fact checking. In the conversation, I said that I don't think I've ever wronged him, then he brought up "Skymasons censorship". I replied that there is an entire paragraph on the topic of skyfall here, and that no one had touched that paragraph since it was written in Dec 2022 (where's the censorship?). I asked him several times to give any example of where there was a biased or unfair "mason majority" (whether I was a part of it or not), but he could not. Then, completely unprompted, an hour later, he came back to the DM and started ranting about all the reasons why he personally dislikes me and the SpawnMasons, such as how I "robbed the entire server with no comm". He had no actual examples of me "attacking" him or his group. Also see here and here. Then, we got into the exact specifics of his dispute with Joey Coconut. We may have miscommunicated about the drama, and probably some of it took place off-wiki, but in the history of the main page that he was complaining about, which you can review here, I didn't see evidence for essentially any of his claims, even though I really tried to work with him and find some. At the end of the discussion, he admitted that "none of this matters" and "I don't want joey as staff anymore. My reasons are my own.". Hm. Well. In my mind, the issues about the wiki are the only relevant issue, and all I could see was extremely reasonable attempts to reach compromise. For example, the proposal to ban orsond last year was listed as a reason to demote Joey. But when I look at that page, it looks extremely fair and reasonable, weighing the impact of potentially banning Orsond quite carefully. The community was consulted, and Orsond was not banned. Again, I see no problem with this, just reasonable good-faith compromise on the part of Joey and the other admins. Wikis are all about compromise, and being made to compromise (rather than writing whatever you want) is actually a good thing. I also don't see how doing nocom makes me a bad admin; I understand it made D_loaded personally dislike me, but that's not a good enough argument. Therefore, I'm against these proposals.
Breithan	Against	13 September 2023, 20:05	Reason given Joey has done more for this wiki than anyone else and I see no signs of bias or censoring.
Fuzzybiskits	Against	14 September 2023, 00:38	Reason given Joey has made significant efforts to remain consistent, fair and unbiased regardless of groups. His effort towards improving the wiki and taking in feedback from the community is evident. He is a strong leader and fit for this role.
MrCK103	Demotion	14 September 2023, 00:59	Reason given I vote yes to the demotion of Joey_Coconut
Jonathan222	Against	14 September 2023, 01:06	Reason given I vote no to Joey_Coconut's demotion from the Administrator and Bureaucrat position. While it's clear that we haven't been on good ties in the past, I've seen Joey put his best foot forward in the past few years, making sure this site is in a pristine condition. He has conducted several projects to clean up individual pages. While he is affiliated with the Spawnmasons, I don't see that as an issue for him to keep these high-level positions.
IOSL	Demotion	14 September 2023, 02:23	Reason given Yes
TimAkaHagrid1	Against	14 September 2023, 04:54	Reason given I vote no for the demotion of Joey. Joey has put a significant amount of time into curating the wiki and it shows. As far as having a uniform source of information regarding 2b2t, the community has never been in a better place, and it would be a shame to throw that away by demoting him.
KommunistKuba	Against	14 September 2023, 11:17	Reason given I believe that the demotion of JoeyCoconut would negatively impact the wiki, Joey has made a vast amount of contributions to the wiki and has shown consistent dedication to improving the wiki, like providing support with peoples pages. His connections around the community and past in running the wiki proved he's a good mediator for the wiki and the vote to demote him on the basis of group association or specific reverts seem more like a personal vendetta on (Orsond) and (D loaded) behalf then genuine attempts at diversifying the viewpoints in the staff. Especially in the specific reasons listed for his demotion. Group association is no reason to demote Joey, also Joey is involved in a number of groups across 2b2t not just the Spawnmasons so to brand him solely as a mason not only is irrelevant to the running of the wiki but also not accurate. There is a mention of the drama surrounding Skymasons on the Spawnmasons wiki page that is unedited and goes over what all parties have said regarding the situation, where is the bias? The Connect 4 situation page ultimately reached a compromise that is admitted by D Loaded himself showing that this isn't really a valid reason for demotion and proves the unbiased operation of the wiki. How is the proposal to ban Orsond a reason for demotion, the way the administration went about running the proposal was completely fair and the results were honored. The fact this is even brought up as a reason for a ban shows the personal motives behind this proposal. The two examples of censorship that were provided I already addressed.
Joey_Coconut1	Against	14 September 2023, 15:03	Reason given I will keep this brief. This site would not be here in its current form without me, plain and simple. I have fulfilled my role as a staff member faithfully and dutifully for the last 3 1/2+ years. In that time I have spearheaded a variety of projects, official and not, ranging in scale and nature from simply trying to document all builders at Mu that I possibly could, to adopting and reviving Operation Wikipossible when no one else would, to reaching out to any regular player that would give me information for pages. This includes the pages for many of those in this thread here, because they could not be bothered to write their own or to even participate in the wiki outside of threads such as this. I authored the vast majority of the rules (which admittedly need updating), the entirety of the editing guides currently used, and the draft review system was my brainchild as a way to get away from the very problematic system we previously used which was based on an abstract idea of relevance. Outside of these, my contributions to the site speak for themselves; I would be shocked if every editor in this thread combined has contributed more to this site than I have in terms of just edits alone; that is not even saying very much as most of the accounts here have 0 edit histories whatsoever and that many of them are only represented on this site through the result of my outreach and documentation, be it through direct involvement in editing, or run-of-the-mill mentions in content. I am far from being 'just a spawnmason', and have a significant amount of connections across the community that make all of this possible. Largely under my direction, the wiki has been transformed into something that was in many ways the universal laughing stock of the community into something that is now regularly consulted by a variety of players, content creators. I contrast this with those calling for my demotion, and the demotion of my fellow staff, who have openly admitted they are just trying to get me out because they refuse to work with a staff team that includes me. Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words - this is one of those times. The only suggested staff member promotion that is even active is Osmobyte. Toska and SoiledCold are inactive players that have shown no initiative on this site whatsoever in a long period (nearly 6 months for Toska, almost a year for SoiledCold). Connections in the community by themselves are meaningless when the players are inactive on-site and suggested for a misguided concept of 'diversity'. If you want to see real diversity, look no farther than the Draft Menders, the institution of which was my idea. The Draft Menders that stay active and learn how the site works, and become Draft Reviewers - those are the people we should be looking to draw staff from. Osmobyte is a good example of the type of person that should be suggested for staff - he's expressed he's not even interested, though. More thought should have been placed into this. Add to this misguided and tainted thinking the fact that the so-called 'Coalition' supporters are nearly all new accounts, deathly inactive accounts, and overall are the result of offsite brigading from a very specific part of the community. That it's STILL not enough to have me demoted, and is an indication of how out of touch the people that have called for and are backing this vote are. They were unable to even properly format this page correctly. This 3% statistic being thrown around is also genuinely hilarious. Does this level of support look like 3% to anyone here? I'm here to stay, and will additionally be seeking a promotion if possible after this is over and done with. Grow up and learn to work with others in a constructive and good-faith manner, or kick rocks. Your choice.
KILLAQUEEN123	Against	14 September 2023, 15:19	Reason given I do not support the changes as they seem to come from a place of malice towards the current team. This vote is pushing for the demotion of people who have been running this wiki because of a block game group they associate with.
Casparov	Against	14 September 2023, 16:20	Reason given No. To begin, I'd like to put forward that I am the co-creator, along with Henry, for the Draft Review system of this wiki which has brought about a significant change in the way administration works within the Admin Team. Drafts are reviewed and approved upon, depending on whether or not the page has been written cleanly and without DIRECTED hate or any other form of obvious biased writing. The proposals made by D_Loaded and his team have completely undermined the backend work that has been done to keep this wiki secure for all people, especially when the wiki talks about the history and motivations of said people. The changes proposed by D_Loaded also undermine the statements he himself has made about his reasons for promotion of the individuals listed. Supposed bias on one side does not mean bias is non-existent on another side of a discussion. Cohesion is paramount to the success of this wiki and I feel like the majority of the changes proposed by D_Loaded ruin that cohesion. However, I DO agree with a slight bit of change. Administration is difficult; having spoken to Joey_Coconut many times to create our review system, I've seen how difficult it can be for a small team.
Amiaoghg	Against	14 September 2023, 17:40	Reason given No.
illumiwh	Against	14 September 2023, 17:56	Reason given NO
Brickzebra	Against	14 September 2023, 19:14	Reason given Joeycoconut earned his place here and doesn't deserve to be removed. Malicious people with a personal biais against him want him gone, and that's not a justification, that's a proof of weakness.
FIRECATinBLACK	Demotion	14 September 2023, 22:02	Reason given I vote yes for the demotion of JoeyCoconut.
Realbabbaj	Against	15 September 2023, 04:19	Reason given No
CirocDrip	Against	15 September 2023, 04:30	Reason given Joey is the backbone of the 2b2t Wiki. Without him, I see no way that this wiki would remain as updated with information as it is since Joey is the single most active member of the wiki staff.
GrammarPolizei	Against	15 September 2023, 04:59	Reason given Others have already covered what I want to say about his contributions to the wiki. I want to emphasize that his deep engagement with a multitude of groups and players on 2b2t is what demarcates him from simply being a consistently active contributor with a high edit count. Joey's encyclopediac knowledge of the playerbase has never ceased to amaze me. This kangaroo court is premised on a fundamental misunderstanding of what this wiki is—even ignoring the obvious malicious motivations and phenomenally weak bait courtesy of the people who we could never be without—this wiki's articles depend on the contributions of a very small number of players. The quality of those articles depends on an even smaller number of editors. The accuracy and quality over the long-term depends on a handful of people who can stay up-to-date and on-top-of the server and wiki duties for years. What demarcates Joey and other key contributors from the rest is passion and autism. There are very few people capable of providing the same wealth and quality of information, even fewer capable of doing it for as long as Joey has (and continues to do).
Skdi	Against	15 September 2023, 13:01	Reason given I vote no for the demotion of Joey. Most the information i read on the 2b2t wiki daily is written by him and most the stuff he writes helps me find a answer to my question.
LightningB0lt44	Against	15 September 2023, 16:36	Reason given Lol joey has been doing his job as an admin just fine and has recently allowed more and more players to have their own page, I think joey has played fairly with the wider 2b community, this whole thing is just 5c and more specifically D_Loaded trying to get more power than is needed or deserved. Its not possible for everyone to be happy with such a diverse player base. Its just a really loud minority trying to manipulate people for their own gain.
KitNightingale	Against	15 September 2023, 17:11	Reason given Keep Joey_coconut and his staff on the WIKI!!!!!! IT TURNS out that D Loaded thought Joey WROTE the connect 4 page as some kind of personal revenge. ALL this time. He said on live stage that he had evidence of this. I SWEAR to you all, the connect4 event staff: sven sven, myself, riceland, etcetc, all submitted proper info for the draft and we all tried hard to get the most accurate telling of that amazing day. We had help to make the draft template etc. but the information was all us. Not Joey. The massive pressure Joey described to me in discord dm's being under from the 'supposed wiki community' over the connect4 draft pages very existence turns out to have been just d loaded and his friends coping and spamming to joey and the wiki admins, complaining that everything about the page was bad or wrong or malicious. Joey NEVER told me any who had opposed the draft page. Or any other details on WHY it was taking sooooooo long to be approved. On reflection this shows me JOEY is an extremely good admin. He must never have never entertained any conversations about its origins to d loaded as well. Again. This shows he is a BLOODY good admin. On GOD, HOWWWWW???? does d loaded have evidence that the name don fall was just made up by 'some random guy' months later??? When my LIVE STREAM on my YOU TUBE CHANNEL on the event day has the discussion that led to the nickname happening right there.... How?? I feel d loaded just hates the name don fall and or anything negative being documented on the wiki about Don Fuer. Period. The connect 4 page was written by the event team and myself. Not Joey, or any wiki staff. Our words were typed in/copy pasted by kizzycocoa. I am sure there must be a way to see who submits a first draft for review? I am ASTONISHED that d loaded is still upset about connect 4 even now. And further more baffled by him saying on LIVE STAGE that Joey wrote it backed up with EVIDENCE in order to convince the rest of the 2b2t players to vote Joey off the staff. Were his note written in jumbo crayon I wonder?? I WAS WRONG about being 'similary' frustrated with d loaded re wiki administration. I VERY frustrated a FULL grown man would go to these lengths to be pissed off about something about his 'group' on an internet page. O. o. I feel doctors may have to intecede. Or his parents. The cope is real. If you AGREE I WAS WRONG AND STUPID vote as I am: I Vote 'NO' on the demotion of Joey_Coconut.
MinecraftSimon	Against	15 September 2023, 17:53	Reason given Joey has made significant efforts to remain consistent, fair and unbiased regardless of groups. His effort towards improving the wiki and taking in feedback from the community is evident. He is a strong leader and fit for this role.
Cpybara	Against	15 September 2023, 17:56	Reason given NO
RICELAND1	Against	15 September 2023, 17:57	Reason given Joey goes above and beyond to make the wiki a better, more comprehensive and objective place for the 2b2t community and people outside of the community to acquire information about the server and the projects we've poured hundreds, even thousands of hours into. He is also a longtime player with many connections and a wealth of knowledge rivaled by few. If a person like him is to be replaced, he needs to be replaced with a person that has the knowledge, skill, and dedication to do what he does. Currently I do not think a person like that exists.
Smcz19	Against	15 September 2023, 18:10	Reason given Joey has put such a significant amount of time and effort into running the wiki, keeping it alive and writing articles for it I dont think there is a single person who could replace him.
Thranoz	Against	15 September 2023, 18:31	Reason given I think JoeyCoconut is doing a great job managing the wiki with alot of passion, I don't see a point in switching staff.
Nasder	Against	16 September 2023, 01:05	Reason given NO
Skai256	Against	16 September 2023, 01:14	Reason given Joey has been a significant contributor to the 2b2t wiki for several years and the wiki would not be in as good of a state as it is without him. I don't believe this vote was started with the wiki's future in mind.
FriedVEVO	Against	16 September 2023, 01:21	Reason given Joey is good admin he laughed at how many bad commas I removed
Linky2b2t	Against	16 September 2023, 01:28	Reason given No
Carl2b2t	Against	16 September 2023, 02:49	Reason given No
TheLastTemplar	Against	16 September 2023, 02:54	Reason given Joey has shown and proven his competency with editing the wiki over my time knowing him. Joey has always been on top of keeping not only my groups page up to date, but that of others to include bases and overall group;player accomplishments.
Poisonvenom	Against	18 September 2023, 19:58	Reason given The wiki in its current state will die if Joey is removed. He is one of the main reasons, if not the only reason, this site is up to date.
Beithir	Against	19 September 2023, 13:48	Reason given Joey has been the head of this wiki for a while now and has contributed to it being an open and fair source. While there may be some discontent with factionalism on 2b, this is minimal, and I believe Joey does a decent job of being neutral from what I have seen on this site.

Demotion of LordGalvatronMC

The following votes have been cast regarding the demotion of LordGalvatronMC as a 2b2t wiki staff member, totalling 29 votes for demotion and 42 votes against.

Wiki username	Vote decision	Date / time of vote (UTC)
lukent	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:40	Reason given I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team
Bills310	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:47	Reason given I support these changes, the timeline is becoming subjective, this isn't good and should be stopped
2b2t Union	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:50	Reason given I vote yes for demotion of Joey_Coconut and Galvatron. These users are horribly out of touch with the 2b2t wiki and have worked for years to unfairly censor/prosecute 2b2t players/groups such as c0mmie_, Clown, MrCK10, The Gulag, etc. They need to go.
TakeoutMenu	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:52	Reason given I support these changes because the 2b2t wiki project has been stagnant for many years, failing to iterate upon itself and accurately represent the happenings within the 2b2t community. Bringing in new staff members will breathe life into the project, as well as bring in fresh perspectives towards documentation of the server.
Jakethesnake53	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:55	Reason given I support these changes
SoiledCold	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:57	Reason given I vote yes for demotion of Joey_Coconut and Galvatron.
12master	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:59	Reason given I support these changes.
EXM1LITARY	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:02	Reason given I Vote Yes, I support the changes because the spawnmasons have had control over the wiki since forever, its time for change.
Eaglevirtue	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:09	Reason given I vote yes, I will not look at some egotistical spawnmasons to think they are god and want to control the wiki.
ItsInvis	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:19	Reason given I vote yes, as if we want 2b2t's history to be open, the Spawn Masons should not hold absolute control over the wiki. The changes should be made.
D loaded	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:38	Reason given I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change
Bezopasan	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:43	Reason given I support the demotion of LordGalvatronMC because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone.
Yamez8	Against	13 September 2023, 00:47	Reason given I vote NO. Let them stay and add a few other mature and trustworthy folks instead.
VaydenPayne	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:55	Reason given I vote YES to demotion
CadeTwo	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:58	Reason given I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server.
Verydarkdorito	Against	13 September 2023, 01:00	Reason given I vote NO because I don't believe that Galvatron has ALSO contributed much to the wiki and there's not that much proof of him being that biased and irrational. Basically the same reason as the Joey one.
Deathstar784	Demotion	13 September 2023, 01:03	Reason given I Support this change
rrdrock	Against	13 September 2023, 01:13	Reason given I vote NO on the demotion of LordGalvatronMC. LordGalvatronMC has been an unbiased source of 2b info for as long or longer than most of us have played.
Sonnar180	Against	13 September 2023, 01:21	Reason given I vote NO on the issue of demoting of LordGalvatronMC. I believe that demoting wiki administrators in the pursuit of diversity, rather than promoting new ones, is a negative course of action to take for the wiki's future.
Aresyl	Against	13 September 2023, 01:31	Reason given I’m not too familiar with his involvement but I don’t see why his demotion is relevant for the reasons given. Galv is also one of the oldest active players. He’s been the leader of multiple groups and can easily collaborate with new and old admins.
Whygoodboyg	Demotion	13 September 2023, 01:33	Reason given I agree with the demotion.
Blocker	Against	13 September 2023, 01:57	Reason given I vote NO. Don't know Galvatron well but have only heard good things, don't see why he should be demoted.
Max1mumChr1s	Demotion	13 September 2023, 02:13	Reason given I vote yes to this change.
Hardboiledmegs	Against	13 September 2023, 02:15	Reason given I vote no on the demotion of LordGalvatron.
Osmobyte	Demotion	13 September 2023, 02:16	Reason given Although LordGalvatronMC has shown good work on the 2b2t Wiki, I do not see a reason for him to retain the status of an administrator. Many of his views are identical with that of Joey_Coconut, and I believe there should be more variety involving perspectives within the staff team. I do not vote for his removal, I vote for his replacement with somebody of a different perspective.
DefinitelyNotRpb	Against	13 September 2023, 02:25	Reason given I DO NOT support the changes because everyone making the proposed changes is a big stinky retard and should go back and crawl in their hole. The current admins could definitely make improvements to how they manage everything but the proposed changes are even worse and the biggest idiots have been suggested like Osmoshit and Toskshit. I vote to ban Osmobyte permanently and also vote to create 7garden on 9b9t
Orsond	Demotion	13 September 2023, 02:26	Reason given I vote YES to this motion.
Senko Foxx	Demotion	13 September 2023, 02:27	Reason given I vote yes
EddyChong	Against	13 September 2023, 03:00	Reason given Galva had been contribute a lot and skilled administrator for 2b2t wiki so I dont see the point of removing / demote him. Fairly neutral as well for the cases that I saw.
Futsin1	Against	13 September 2023, 03:04	Reason given I vote No. Galvatron is a long-time active contributor to the 2b2t wiki. I don't see a compelling reason for his removal.
DanDucky	Against	13 September 2023, 03:34	Reason given Galv has done good work so far! Big fanington!!!
Phosph0lipid	Demotion	13 September 2023, 05:46	Reason given I vote yes, staff team needs more diversity
ShaneBuilding	Demotion	13 September 2023, 06:13	Reason given I vote YES to the demotion of LordGalvatronMC. Largely inactive as an editor
Ranlen	Against	13 September 2023, 06:40	Reason given active memeber of staff, no point in demoting him
HermeticLock	Demotion	13 September 2023, 07:04	Reason given I vote yes on the demotion of LordGalvatron. He can still be an editor without being an admin that shares all the time ties as the other current admins. We need the admin team to represent more of the community.
P529	Against	13 September 2023, 07:18	Reason given Has done good work. If you look at his past contributions you can also tell he has been active.
Jordanl666	Against	13 September 2023, 09:00	Reason given Old active player with a lot to offer.
S8n	Demotion	13 September 2023, 11:58	Reason given I vote yes to the demotion of Galvatron
Chiekn	Against	13 September 2023, 13:26	Reason given Same goes for Galvatron, well respected man that cares for documenting history. He has made great remarks on the wiki, and does not target or favortize groups/people. Same goes for Joey.
Steampunkjax1	Against	13 September 2023, 14:34	Reason given I vote that None of these changes should be done. The real bias on the wiki is all the people who started this vote. I have been contributing to this wiki for 3 years and I have never seen any bias in info used or put on a page by myself or any editor. Joey Galvatron and Leijurv should continue as staff and be the ones making the promotion Choices. Nothing should change due to this vote
Negative_Entropy	Against	13 September 2023, 16:21	Reason given I vote No to the demotion of LordGalvatronMC. I do not see bad action from him and believe that diversifying the admin team should be done by adding new people rather than removing motivated contributors.
NIgerianprince	Against	13 September 2023, 16:41	Reason given i have not seen any bias behavior from galv and the wiki coalition have not been able to brought up any solid proof more than their words so no, gal has always been reasonable and isf able to stay neutral
Todarac	Against	13 September 2023, 16:54	Reason given Incredibly level headed, active, and accurate.
Travisimo	Demotion	13 September 2023, 17:12	Reason given I vote yes for all changes
A1fastyellowgto	Demotion	13 September 2023, 17:38	Reason given I vote yes for demotion of Galvatron. These users are horribly out of touch with the 2b2t wiki and have worked for years to unfairly censor/prosecute 2b2t players/groups such as c0mmie_, Clown, MrCK10, The Gulag, etc. They need to go.
Raaanch	Against	13 September 2023, 18:01	Reason given No
Leijurv	Against	13 September 2023, 18:23	Reason given I've had a conversation with D_loaded on Discord after seeing myself listed on this vote. We spoke at length, and my conclusion is that this is D_loaded is pursuing a vendetta rooted in personal dislike of myself, Joey, and the SpawnMasons. I tried at length to figure out exactly what the accusations of improper behavior are, but D_loaded's claims did not stand up to even basic fact checking. In the conversation, I said that I don't think I've ever wronged him, then he brought up "Skymasons censorship". I replied that there is an entire paragraph on the topic of skyfall here, and that no one had touched that paragraph since it was written in Dec 2022 (where's the censorship?). I asked him several times to give any example of where there was a biased or unfair "mason majority" (whether I was a part of it or not), but he could not. Then, completely unprompted, an hour later, he came back to the DM and started ranting about all the reasons why he personally dislikes me and the SpawnMasons, such as how I "robbed the entire server with no comm". He had no actual examples of me "attacking" him or his group. Also see here and here. Then, we got into the exact specifics of his dispute with Joey Coconut. We may have miscommunicated about the drama, and probably some of it took place off-wiki, but in the history of the main page that he was complaining about, which you can review here, I didn't see evidence for essentially any of his claims, even though I really tried to work with him and find some. At the end of the discussion, he admitted that "none of this matters" and "I don't want joey as staff anymore. My reasons are my own.". Hm. Well. In my mind, the issues about the wiki are the only relevant issue, and all I could see was extremely reasonable attempts to reach compromise. For example, the proposal to ban orsond last year was listed as a reason to demote Joey. But when I look at that page, it looks extremely fair and reasonable, weighing the impact of potentially banning Orsond quite carefully. The community was consulted, and Orsond was not banned. Again, I see no problem with this, just reasonable good-faith compromise on the part of Joey and the other admins. Wikis are all about compromise, and being made to compromise (rather than writing whatever you want) is actually a good thing. I also don't see how doing nocom makes me a bad admin; I understand it made D_loaded personally dislike me, but that's not a good enough argument. Therefore, I'm against these proposals.
Breithan	Against	13 September 2023, 20:05	Reason given He is a very active contributer and I see no signs of bias.
Fuzzybiskits	Against	14 September 2023, 00:38	Reason given No
MrCK103	Demotion	14 September 2023, 00:59	Reason given I vote yes to the demotion of Galvatron
IOSL	Demotion	14 September 2023, 02:23	Reason given Yes
KommunistKuba	Against	14 September 2023, 11:17	Reason given Like with JoeyCoconut, I'd point to the reasons for his demotion as to why I disagree with demoting LordGalvatronMC. Being associated with JoeyCoconut is absolutely no reason to demote someone and seems to be rooted in the issues held with JoeyCoconut as staff rather than LordGalvatronMC, in which case the vote should be cast against JoeyCoconut. The fact this is even mentioned as a reason further points to this proposal being based on personal issues with the staff members rather than improper administration within the wiki. What does Spawnmasons orbiter even mean, that's such a loose link, LordGalvatron isn't even a member of the Spawnmasons, (disproving the claim that the wiki is fully administered by one group) and even if he was why is that cause for demotion? Ultimately LordGalvatronMc should stay as a staff member due to having a good track record of running the wiki in a neutral impartial way, his ability to compromise with members of the community and knowledge of the operations of the wiki.
Joey_Coconut1	Against	14 September 2023, 15:14	Reason given Galvatron has been an invaluable resource for this website in a variety of ways, and is oftentimes the one that helps to vet crazy ideas other staff have. He is a level-headed and long-term-serving Bureaucrat that has shown his worth here time and time again, especially in discussion. To vote against him is to misunderstand his role in the administration in the backend of this site, where he is often the one to contact miraheze when the site is threatened or they must be involved. The motivations behind this vote concerning him don't even relate to Galvatron himself, and were concocted by bad-faith actors seeking to harm the wiki team overall. The cherry on top with the discussion concerning Galvatron is this whole 'spawnmason orbiter' cope that attempts to tie him in as a member of the group that he is not just not a member of, but is furthermore disinterested in becoming a member of.
KILLAQUEEN123	Against	14 September 2023, 15:19	Reason given No
Casparov	Against	14 September 2023, 16:20	Reason given I vote no for the demotion of LordGalvatronMC
Amiaoghg	Against	14 September 2023, 17:40	Reason given No.
illumiwh	Against	14 September 2023, 17:56	Reason given NO
Brickzebra	Against	14 September 2023, 19:14	Reason given I don't know the guy but peace be upon him
FIRECATinBLACK	Demotion	14 September 2023, 22:02	Reason given I vote yes for the demotion of LordGalvatronMC.
GrammarPolizei	Against	15 September 2023, 04:59	Reason given In lieu of any compelling evidence or reason for demotion, I vote no. In lieu of contributing to measuring consensus or fostering discussion (in fact, actively harming both), I'd like to point out to those who need it that this wiki isn't a quasi-judicial experiment in democracy, bureaucracy, or anarchy; it's a wiki about a Minecraft server. No amount of scheming will change that. Galvatron does his job, his contribution page is proof of this, and no amount of scheming will change that either. Censuring is incompatible with documenting information in a wiki. No evidence of that has been provided. What has been provided is just-enough moderation to prevent the wiki from becoming another battleground for in-game drama. The 2b2t wiki isn't about winning and it shouldn't be the medium to arbitrate petty disputes.
KitNightingale	Against	15 September 2023, 17:11	Reason given I vote 'NO' on the demotion of Galvatron.
MinecraftSimon	Against	15 September 2023, 17:53	Reason given Joey has made significant efforts to remain consistent, fair and unbiased regardless of groups. His effort towards improving the wiki and taking in feedback from the community is evident. He is a strong leader and fit for this role.
Thranoz	Against	15 September 2023, 18:31	Reason given LordGalvatronMC is also very passionate about the wiki, I don't see a point in switching staff.
CirocDrip	Against	16 September 2023, 01:16	Reason given NO
FriedVEVO	Against	16 September 2023, 01:23	Reason given Galvatron is a good guy, I don't see the reason to remove him.
Skai256	Against	16 September 2023, 01:25	Reason given Galvatron is a trustworthy and active member of the 2b2t community, there is no real reason to demote him from staff of the 2b2t wiki.
Linky2b2t	Against	16 September 2023, 01:28	Reason given No
Carl2b2t	Against	16 September 2023, 02:49	Reason given No
TheLastTemplar	Against	16 September 2023, 02:54	Reason given Galv has been a long term staff member and has made countless contributions to the wiki.
RICELAND1	Against	16 September 2023, 11:54	Reason given Galv is a longtime player with many good contributions to the wiki and I see no reason for him to be demoted.
Poisonvenom	Against	18 September 2023, 19:58	Reason given Galv and Joey are the main reason this site is even relevant and accurate.

Demotion of Leijurv

The following votes have been cast regarding the demotion of Leijurv as a 2b2t wiki staff member, totalling 27 votes for demotion and 37 votes against.

Wiki username	Vote decision	Date / time of vote (UTC)
lukent	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:40	Reason given I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team
Bills310	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:47	Reason given I support these changes, the timeline is becoming subjective, this isn't good and should be stopped
TakeoutMenu	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:52	Reason given I support these changes because the 2b2t wiki project has been stagnant for many years, failing to iterate upon itself and accurately represent the happenings within the 2b2t community. Bringing in new staff members will breathe life into the project, as well as bring in fresh perspectives towards documentation of the server.
Jakethesnake53	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:55	Reason given I support these changes
12master	Demotion	12 September 2023, 23:59	Reason given I support these changes.
EXM1LITARY	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:02	Reason given I Vote Yes, I support the changes because the spawnmasons have had control over the wiki since forever, its time for change.
Eaglevirtue	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:09	Reason given I vote yes, I will not look at some egotistical spawnmasons to think they are god and want to control the wiki.
ItsInvis	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:19	Reason given I vote yes, as if we want 2b2t's history to be open, the Spawn Masons should not hold absolute control over the wiki. The changes should be made.
D loaded	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:38	Reason given I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change
Bezopasan	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:43	Reason given I support the demotion of Leijurv because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone.
Yamez8	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:47	Reason given If Leijurv was more active, I would vote NO but since there is question as to how active he can be going forward, I would say maybe a demotion is for the best. He can still be involved but maybe not at the top anymore.
VaydenPayne	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:55	Reason given I vote YES to demotion
CadeTwo	Demotion	13 September 2023, 00:58	Reason given I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server.
Verydarkdorito	Demotion	13 September 2023, 01:01	Reason given I vote YES because he's been inactive for the past couple years.
Deathstar784	Demotion	13 September 2023, 01:03	Reason given I Support this change.
rrdrock	Against	13 September 2023, 01:13	Reason given I vote NO on the demotion of leijurv. He has been a huge help to keeping this wiki going.
Aresyl	Against	13 September 2023, 01:31	Reason given NO. Are you high? This guy is one of 2b2t’s greatest modders for utility clients. Who cares if he’s inactive. Seriously. This demotion makes this seem like a power play.
Whygoodboyg	Demotion	13 September 2023, 01:33	Reason given I agree with the demotion.
Blocker	Against	13 September 2023, 01:57	Reason given I vote NO. Don't know Leijurv but have only heard good things, don't see why he should be demoted.
Max1mumChr1s	Demotion	13 September 2023, 02:13	Reason given I vote yes to this change.
Hardboiledmegs	Against	13 September 2023, 02:15	Reason given I vote no on the demotion of Leijurv.
Osmobyte	Demotion	13 September 2023, 02:16	Reason given I vote yes for the demotion of Leijurv. He has not been active on the 2b2t wiki since the 6 edits he made in late 2022, and like SoiledCold, barely any since his peak activity in the fall of 2021.
DefinitelyNotRpb	Against	13 September 2023, 02:25	Reason given I DO NOT support the changes because everyone making the proposed changes is a big stinky retard and should go back and crawl in their hole. The current admins could definitely make improvements to how they manage everything but the proposed changes are even worse and the biggest idiots have been suggested like Osmoshit and Toskshit. I vote to ban Osmobyte permanently and also vote to create 7garden on 9b9t
Orsond	Demotion	13 September 2023, 02:26	Reason given I vote YES to this motion.
Senko Foxx	Demotion	13 September 2023, 02:27	Reason given I vote yes for the demotion of Leijurv.
EddyChong	Demotion	13 September 2023, 03:00	Reason given I have not heard much of his involvement in 2b2t wiki so might have been good to demote him from 2b2t wiki team.
Futsin1	Against	13 September 2023, 03:04	Reason given I vote No. Leijurv is a talented, knowledgeable player and contributor, and is heavily involved with Wikipedia.org. Our wiki benefits from his expertise.
ShaneBuilding	Demotion	13 September 2023, 06:13	Reason given I vote YES to the demotion of leijurv. Largely inactive as an editor.
Ranlen	Against	13 September 2023, 06:40	Reason given kinda active memeber of staff, no point in demoting him
HermeticLock	Against	13 September 2023, 07:04	Reason given I vote no on the demotion of leijurv. leijurv's wikipedia experience is an overall net asset to the 2b2t wiki.
P529	Demotion	13 September 2023, 07:18	Reason given Very levelheaded. Should remain in this position.
Jordanl666	Against	13 September 2023, 09:00	Reason given Why would you?
S8n	Demotion	13 September 2023, 11:58	Reason given I vote yes to the demotion of Leijurv
Chiekn	Against	13 September 2023, 13:26	Reason given This is more a move to get a group out of the administration team. By targeting Joey, they are also targeting leijurv. I think this is wrong, and even though he has not been very active, I stand for not demoting him.
Steampunkjax1	Against	13 September 2023, 14:34	Reason given I vote that None of these changes should be done. The real bias on the wiki is all the people who started this vote. I have been contributing to this wiki for 3 years and I have never seen any bias in info used or put on a page by myself or any editor. Joey Galvatron and Leijurv should continue as staff and be the ones making the promotion Choices. Nothing should change due to this vote
Negative_Entropy	Against	13 September 2023, 16:21	Reason given I vote No to the demotion of leijurv. He has plenty of experience dealing with wikipedia, understands the processes needed when resolving conflict, and knows a lot about 2b2t. If you want more diversity you should be focusing on new additions rather than removing competent people.
Todarac	Against	13 September 2023, 16:54	Reason given This is the dumbest proposal in this entire vote in my opinion. Trying to stay as civil as possible, Leijurv is the most autistic and dedicated wiki editor I have met in my entire life. If there should only be a SINGLE admin for the entire 2b2t wiki it should be leijurv. He has overseen disputes that make this entire discussion look like small talk at a wedding.
Travisimo	Demotion	13 September 2023, 17:12	Reason given I vote yes for all changes
A1fastyellowgto	Demotion	13 September 2023, 17:38	Reason given I also vote yes for the demotion of Leijurv, due to his inactivity. His role on the wiki shouldn't be determined because of his mod contributions to the community.
Raaanch	Against	13 September 2023, 18:01	Reason given No
Breithan	Against	13 September 2023, 20:05	Reason given He is more active than some of thenew proposals and I see no signs of bias.
MrCK103	Demotion	14 September 2023, 00:59	Reason given I vote yes to the demotion of Leijury
KommunistKuba	Against	14 September 2023, 11:17	Reason given I vote against the demotion of leijurv, the reasons listed are not substantial enough to warrant demotion. Whilst leijurv could potentially be understood to be inactive, I still believe his presence is important in the wiki, leijurv has shown himself as a reasonably capable moderator in the past. As there are no examples provided of him being biased outside of group association, (which in itself isn't a valid cause for demotion unless there is direct evidence of leijurv being biased or unfair due to it) then I don't see membership in the spawnmasons as a valid reason to demote him. Again this seems to be based off of D loaded personal issues of leijurv and I believe the exchange of DMs between leijurv and D loaded show this as well. Another thing to consider is that staff isn't required to be active when it comes to authoring articles as seen here (2b2t_Wiki:Rules#General_staff_rules) only to ensure that they adhere to the rules and manual of style. As such citing leijurvs lack of contribution to articles is irrelevant to his role as staff and as such should not be cause for demotion.
KILLAQUEEN123	Against	14 September 2023, 15:19	Reason given No
Joey_Coconut1	Against	14 September 2023, 15:21	Reason given Leijurv is our resident tech guy and also an experienced wikipedia editor. He is the least active member of the staff team, but still an invaluable asset to this site as a whole. When miraheze was in danger of folding, leijurv took it upon himself to put significant effort to creating a new self-hosted site that as far as I am aware can be launched within a day if we needed to. When we have discussion pages put forward by the admin team, he is the first person consulted. When I write editing guides and update the rules, he is the first person consulted. leijurv is the member of the staff team that is the most experienced. To remove him from this position would negatively impact this site, and would also be a comical situation should we move to the self-hosted site as he is the one that would operate it.
Casparov	Against	14 September 2023, 16:20	Reason given I vote no for the demotion of Leijurv
Amiaoghg	Against	14 September 2023, 17:40	Reason given NO.
illumiwh	Against	14 September 2023, 17:56	Reason given NO
Brickzebra	Against	14 September 2023, 19:14	Reason given NO
Realbabbaj	Against	15 September 2023, 04:19	Reason given No
Skdi	Against	15 September 2023, 13:01	Reason given I vote NO! on demoting leijurv. This dude is super cool he even has feet updates on his youtube. If you demote him you hate baritone!
KitNightingale	Against	15 September 2023, 17:11	Reason given I vote 'NO' on the demotion of LeJurv.
MinecraftSimon	Against	15 September 2023, 17:56	Reason given Leijurv's experience with Wikipedia and knowledge of handling disputes is an asset to the 2b2t wiki. He should not be demoted solely based on alleged inactivity.
Thranoz	Against	15 September 2023, 18:31	Reason given I don't see a reason in demotion.
Nasder	Against	16 September 2023, 01:05	Reason given NO
CirocDrip	Against	16 September 2023, 01:16	Reason given NO
FriedVEVO	Against	16 September 2023, 01:25	Reason given Leijurv is a figurehead of the 2b community and fits in with the 2b wiki
Skai256	Against	16 September 2023, 01:25	Reason given leijurv is a very trustworthy and very active member of the 2b2t community, there is no real reason to demote him from staff of the 2b2t wiki. He has a lot of information and insight that can be provided to pages.
Carl2b2t	Against	16 September 2023, 02:49	Reason given No
TheLastTemplar	Against	16 September 2023, 02:54	Reason given Leijurv has proven himself to be a respectful member of this community.
RICELAND1	Against	16 September 2023, 11:54	Reason given Demoting a player only based on group affiliations is not justified without examples on how those group affiliations influence the contributions of the player.
GrammarPolizei	Against	19 September 2023, 04:18	Reason given Leijurv is an important resource due to his Wikipedia experience and technical knowledge. This only further demonstrates how this proposal was made without any care for the wiki itself—not a single one of the proposed promotions can fill his shoes.

Promotion of SoiledCold

The following votes have been cast regarding the promotion of SoiledCold to a 2b2t wiki staff member, totalling 26 votes for promotion and 40 votes against.

Wiki username	Vote decision	Date / time of vote (UTC)
lukent	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:40	Reason given I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team
Bills310	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:47	Reason given I support these changes, the timeline is becoming subjective, this isn't good and should be stopped
2b2t Union	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:50	Reason given I vote for yes for the promotion of SoiledCold as I have known him for years and he has had a good track record of running groups/projects such as his stint as 2b2t Uncensored moderator, Leader of TeamNoTrees, Leader of Team No Seas, etc.
TakeoutMenu	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:52	Reason given I support these changes because the 2b2t wiki project has been stagnant for many years, failing to iterate upon itself and accurately represent the happenings within the 2b2t community. Bringing in new staff members will breathe life into the project, as well as bring in fresh perspectives towards documentation of the server.
Jakethesnake53	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:55	Reason given I support these changes
12master	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:59	Reason given I support these changes.
EXM1LITARY	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:02	Reason given I Vote Yes, I support the changes because the spawnmasons have had control over the wiki since forever, its time for change.
Eaglevirtue	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:09	Reason given I vote yes, I will not look at some egotistical spawnmasons to think they are god and want to control the wiki.
ItsInvis	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:19	Reason given I vote yes, as if we want 2b2t's history to be open, the Spawn Masons should not hold absolute control over the wiki. The changes should be made.
D loaded	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:38	Reason given I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change
Bezopasan	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:43	Reason given I support the promotion of SoiledCold because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone.
Yamez8	Against	13 September 2023, 00:47	Reason given I've heard they aren't the most active on the server anymore and possibly some other issues. Also, after hearing what actually goes in to being an admin or whatever, I don't know if the Wiki Coalition actually understands what it takes and that it's more than just swapping people around. There's a lot more responsibility than just overseeing the 2b2t wiki, such as communicating with miraheze and whatnot. Anybody promoted should be fully aware of the commitment and tasks they would be signing up for.
VaydenPayne	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:55	Reason given I vote YES to promotion
CadeTwo	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:58	Reason given I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server.
Deathstar784	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:03	Reason given I Support this change.
Verydarkdorito	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:07	Reason given I vote YES becuase he has contributed to the wiki greatly and we could use a bit of a new perspective on things.
rrdrock	Against	13 September 2023, 01:13	Reason given I vote NO on the promotion of SoiledCold. While he and I have never had direct interation, the drama and subjectivity he's shown in the past on certain drama in the community leads me to believe he will not have the interests of the community in mind.
Sonnar180	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:21	Reason given I vote YES on the promotion of SoiledCold. Soiledcold has had a long past with the wiki, and has been a trusted editor for a long time.
Aresyl	Against	13 September 2023, 01:31	Reason given I’m pretty indifferent tbh. I’ve only heard good things about him, but being demoted without a publicised reason when this poll advocates for his reinstatement is weird af to me. Not sure why he was demoted though. It’s a no unless someone can give definitive accounts to why he should be reinstated.
Whygoodboyg	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:33	Reason given I agree with the promotion.
Blocker	Against	13 September 2023, 01:57	Reason given I vote NO. Have had many bad experiences with him in the past in how things were ran and especially his reactions when things did not go his way. I do not want to elaborate here due to the sensitive nature of this, but if you would like to know more I am happy to elaborate privately.
Max1mumChr1s	Promotion	13 September 2023, 02:13	Reason given I vote yes to this change.
Hardboiledmegs	Against	13 September 2023, 02:15	Reason given I vote NO on the promotion of Soiled.
Osmobyte	Against	13 September 2023, 02:16	Reason given He has been relatively inactive in the 2b2t Community, with his last wiki edit before the current vote dating back to 4 edits in December 2022, and barely any since his peak activity during the early winter of 2021.
DefinitelyNotRpb	Against	13 September 2023, 02:25	Reason given I DO NOT support the changes because everyone making the proposed changes is a big stinky retard and should go back and crawl in their hole. The current admins could definitely make improvements to how they manage everything but the proposed changes are even worse and the biggest idiots have been suggested like Osmoshit and Toskshit. I vote to ban Osmobyte permanently and also vote to create 7garden on 9b9t
Orsond	Promotion	13 September 2023, 02:26	Reason given I vote YES to this motion.
Senko Foxx	Promotion	13 September 2023, 02:27	Reason given I vote yes for the promotion of SoildCold. This will add more diversity of players to the wiki staff.
EddyChong	Against	13 September 2023, 03:00	Reason given I have not heard of him before and I only know he is inactive 2b2t player so 2b2t wiki might not be beneficial if he is in.
Futsin1	Against	13 September 2023, 03:04	Reason given I vote No to the promotion of SoiledCold. I don't think the wiki would benefit from him in an admin position.
DanDucky	Against	13 September 2023, 03:44	Reason given This guy hasn't played in forever as far as I'm concerned. If anyone is out of touch it's him. Also a huge meme and I have no energy to deal with him anywhere.
ShaneBuilding	Promotion	13 September 2023, 06:13	Reason given I'm voting yes to the promotion of SoiledCold in the interest of creating a more balanced group of staff on the Wiki, but my continued long-term support for them is contingent on the creation of a consistent contributions log containing high quality edits and drafts.
Ranlen	Against	13 September 2023, 06:40	Reason given dont rly see him active anywhere so no pint of being in staff
HermeticLock	Promotion	13 September 2023, 07:04	Reason given I support the promotion of SoiledCold. Diversity is our strength.
P529	Against	13 September 2023, 07:18	Reason given Isn't one of the reasons to remove Joey to get more active people to "own" the wiki? Adding an inactive person to staff doesn't seem to be the smartest approach.
S8n	Promotion	13 September 2023, 11:58	Reason given I vote yes to the promotion of SoiledCold
Chiekn	Against	13 September 2023, 13:26	Reason given Not a active player in the community. This "promotion" that are suggested by the coalition is standing against what they want, to remove "not active" players such as leijurv. Then why promote a player that is not active at all?
Steampunkjax1	Against	13 September 2023, 14:34	Reason given I vote that None of these changes should be done. The real bias on the wiki is all the people who started this vote. I have been contributing to this wiki for 3 years and I have never seen any bias in info used or put on a page by myself or any editor. Joey Galvatron and Leijurv should continue as staff and be the ones making the promotion Choices. Nothing should change due to this vote
Negative_Entropy	Against	13 September 2023, 16:21	Reason given I vote No to the promotion of SoiledCold.
Todarac	Against	13 September 2023, 21:37	Reason given No
Travisimo	Promotion	13 September 2023, 17:12	Reason given I vote yes for all changes
A1fastyellowgto	Promotion	13 September 2023, 17:38	Reason given I vote for yes for the promotion of SoiledCold as I have known him for years and he has had a good track record of running groups/projects such as his stint as 2b2t Uncensored moderator, Leader of TeamNoTrees, Leader of Team No Seas, etc.
Raaanch	Against	13 September 2023, 18:01	Reason given No
Leijurv	Against	13 September 2023, 18:23	Reason given I've had a conversation with D_loaded on Discord after seeing myself listed on this vote. We spoke at length, and my conclusion is that this is D_loaded is pursuing a vendetta rooted in personal dislike of myself, Joey, and the SpawnMasons. I tried at length to figure out exactly what the accusations of improper behavior are, but D_loaded's claims did not stand up to even basic fact checking. In the conversation, I said that I don't think I've ever wronged him, then he brought up "Skymasons censorship". I replied that there is an entire paragraph on the topic of skyfall here, and that no one had touched that paragraph since it was written in Dec 2022 (where's the censorship?). I asked him several times to give any example of where there was a biased or unfair "mason majority" (whether I was a part of it or not), but he could not. Then, completely unprompted, an hour later, he came back to the DM and started ranting about all the reasons why he personally dislikes me and the SpawnMasons, such as how I "robbed the entire server with no comm". He had no actual examples of me "attacking" him or his group. Also see here and here. Then, we got into the exact specifics of his dispute with Joey Coconut. We may have miscommunicated about the drama, and probably some of it took place off-wiki, but in the history of the main page that he was complaining about, which you can review here, I didn't see evidence for essentially any of his claims, even though I really tried to work with him and find some. At the end of the discussion, he admitted that "none of this matters" and "I don't want joey as staff anymore. My reasons are my own.". Hm. Well. In my mind, the issues about the wiki are the only relevant issue, and all I could see was extremely reasonable attempts to reach compromise. For example, the proposal to ban orsond last year was listed as a reason to demote Joey. But when I look at that page, it looks extremely fair and reasonable, weighing the impact of potentially banning Orsond quite carefully. The community was consulted, and Orsond was not banned. Again, I see no problem with this, just reasonable good-faith compromise on the part of Joey and the other admins. Wikis are all about compromise, and being made to compromise (rather than writing whatever you want) is actually a good thing. I also don't see how doing nocom makes me a bad admin; I understand it made D_loaded personally dislike me, but that's not a good enough argument. Therefore, I'm against these proposals.
Breithan	Against	13 September 2023, 20:05	Reason given Inactive and has been biased in the past.
MrCK103	Promotion	14 September 2023, 00:59	Reason given I vote yes to the promotion of SoiledCold
Momana	Promotion	14 September 2023, 02:00	Reason given I agree with the recommendations for promotions of SoiledCold, Toska, Osmobyte for the good reasons repeatedly stated by the community.
TimAkaHagrid1	Against	14 September 2023, 04:54	Reason given I vote no for the promotion of SoiledCold. SoiledCold is not active enough.
KommunistKuba	Against	14 September 2023, 11:17	Reason given I believe that SoiledCold shouldn't be promoted, he has shown little active interest in the wiki and the 2b community as a whole. Promoting him on the basis of diversity seems flawed since if he's inactive then ultimately the degree to which the articles become less biased will not change as he won't contribute. The case for his promotion also seems to consider the supposed basis of other staff rather than his own merits as a contributor to the wiki. If you believe the current staff members are biased, vote to demote them rather than to promote someone who doesn't seem to be active, on the basis of less bias.
KILLAQUEEN123	Against	14 September 2023, 15:19	Reason given No
Joey_Coconut1	Against	14 September 2023, 15:47	Reason given SoiledCold is a previous staff member that was demoted three years ago after it became clear he did not understand what the position entailed, and immediately after he participated in raids on another location (If I recall correctly, some clone server) and explicitly said he was doing so on behalf of this wiki. The wiki is not something that should be involved in that type of drama EVER. Most arguments for his promotion concern involvement in short-lived (albeit large-scale) community projects several years ago. In his long tenure as a trusted editor, he did not regularly participate in draft review. Beyond this he has not edited this site in nearly a year. Ignoring less than a dozen edits on his part that he conducted within a more extended period, SoiledCold has not participated on this site in over TWO YEARS. To promote someone with this level of activity is ridiculous, especially when other, far more active contributors have been presented for demotion over alleged inactivity. Add to this the fact that this whole vote was called in order to simply remove and replace myself and several other staff without much heed paid to who was slated to replace us as far as I can tell, and this is something that, in my opinion, would be genuinely damaging for the wiki. What good would the promotion of a deathly inactive administrator do?
Casparov	Against	14 September 2023, 16:20	Reason given I vote no to the promotion of SoiledCold
Amiaoghg	Against	14 September 2023, 17:40	Reason given I vote no to the promotion of SoiledCold
illumiwh	Against	14 September 2023, 17:56	Reason given NO
Brickzebra	Against	14 September 2023, 19:14	Reason given I vote no to the promotion of SoiledCold, he has shown, in the past, that he cannot be trusted with things that require his neutralit
KitNightingale	Against	15 September 2023, 17:11	Reason given I so then vote 'NO' on the promotion of Soiledcold
MinecraftSimon	Against	15 September 2023, 17:56	Reason given SoiledCold has been inactive in the community and on the wiki for a long time. Promoting inactive members does not seem productive.
Thranoz	Against	15 September 2023, 18:31	Reason given Inactive, don't see a point in demoting them and promoting him.
Nasder	Against	16 September 2023, 01:05	Reason given No
CirocDrip	Against	16 September 2023, 01:16	Reason given NO
Skai256	Against	16 September 2023, 01:25	Reason given SoiledCold is not a very active member of the 2b2t community and I don't believe his contributions to the wiki would continue in the long term.
FriedVEVO	Against	16 September 2023, 01:27	Reason given Isn't this guy literally dead or something?
Carl2b2t	Against	16 September 2023, 02:49	Reason given No
TheLastTemplar	Against	16 September 2023, 02:54	Reason given Inactive
Linky2b2t	Against	16 September 2023, 06:16	Reason given No
RICELAND1	Against	16 September 2023, 11:54	Reason given Inactive and doesn't seem to be a good fit for staff based on previous actions.
GrammarPolizei	Against	19 September 2023, 04:18	Reason given SoiledCold has been deathly inactive, and all memory of him before that is pretty negative—allowing/using drama without care for the adverse effects the wiki—but even pretending that SoiledCold is a remotely viable promotion, where is the proof? "I have changed and will become active and useful... as soon as I get promoted back into a position I was inactive and actively harmful in?" It's a non sequitur.
Beithir	Against	19 September 2023, 13:48	Reason given From what I've seen, this individual may not be the best candidate for this position. Whilst I harbor no ill feelings or intent with this, I believe that actions speak louder than words in this regard. Also they have not been active in a while anyways?

Promotion of Osmobyte

The following votes have been cast regarding the promotion of Osmobyte to a 2b2t wiki staff member, totalling 60 votes for promotion and 4 votes against.

Wiki username	Vote decision	Date / time of vote (UTC)
lukent	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:40	Reason given I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team
Bills310	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:47	Reason given I support these changes, the timeline is becoming subjective, this isn't good and should be stopped
TakeoutMenu	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:52	Reason given I support these changes because the 2b2t wiki project has been stagnant for many years, failing to iterate upon itself and accurately represent the happenings within the 2b2t community. Bringing in new staff members will breathe life into the project, as well as bring in fresh perspectives towards documentation of the server.
Jakethesnake53	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:55	Reason given I support these changes
12master	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:59	Reason given I support these changes.
EXM1LITARY	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:02	Reason given I Vote Yes, I support the changes because the spawnmasons have had control over the wiki since forever, its time for change.
Eaglevirtue	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:09	Reason given I vote yes, I will not look at some egotistical spawnmasons to think they are god and want to control the wiki.
ItsInvis	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:19	Reason given I vote yes, as if we want 2b2t's history to be open, the Spawn Masons should not hold absolute control over the wiki. The changes should be made.
D loaded	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:38	Reason given I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change
Bezopasan	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:43	Reason given I support the promotion of Osmobyte because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone.
Yamez8	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:47	Reason given After hearing what actually goes in to being an admin or whatever, I don't know if the Wiki Coalition actually understands what it takes and that it's more than just swapping people around. There's a lot more responsibility than just overseeing the 2b2t wiki, such as communicating with miraheze and whatnot. Anybody promoted should be fully aware of the commitment and tasks they would be signing up for. If Osmobyte is fully prepared and willing, then I vote YES.
VaydenPayne	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:55	Reason given I vote YES to promotion
CadeTwo	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:58	Reason given I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server.
Deathstar784	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:03	Reason given I Support this change.
Verydarkdorito	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:04	Reason given I vote YES for the same reason as my opinion as SoiledCold's promotion.
rrdrock	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:13	Reason given I vote YES on the promotion of Osmobyte. He has his fingers in every corner of the server, and knows a lot more than any one suspects about this community.
Aresyl	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:31	Reason given From my experience he’s mostly trustworthy and has good character. He clearly has an interest in making contributions to the wiki. If he can work with the other admins and not power trip, I can only see him contributing good.
Whygoodboyg	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:33	Reason given I agree with the promotion.
Blocker	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:57	Reason given I vote YES CONTINGENT on D_loaded's information being correct. Don't know him, but I have no objection.
Max1mumChr1s	Promotion	13 September 2023, 02:13	Reason given I vote yes to this change.
Hardboiledmegs	Promotion	13 September 2023, 02:15	Reason given I vote yes to promote Osmobyte.
DefinitelyNotRpb	Against	13 September 2023, 02:25	Reason given I DO NOT support the changes because everyone making the proposed changes is a big stinky retard and should go back and crawl in their hole. The current admins could definitely make improvements to how they manage everything but the proposed changes are even worse and the biggest idiots have been suggested like Osmoshit and Toskshit. I vote to ban Osmobyte permanently and also vote to create 7garden on 9b9t
Orsond	Promotion	13 September 2023, 02:26	Reason given I vote YES to this motion.
Senko Foxx	Promotion	13 September 2023, 02:27	Reason given I vote yes for the promotion of Osmobyte. This will add more diversity of players to the wiki staff.
EddyChong	Promotion	13 September 2023, 03:00	Reason given So far best candidate to be in 2b2t wiki team and I expect good thing of him to improve 2b2t wiki with voice from a fairly neutral perspective.
Futsin1	Promotion	13 September 2023, 03:04	Reason given I vote yes to Osmobyte's promotion. He has made numerous quality contributions to the wiki.
Phosph0lipid	Promotion	13 September 2023, 05:46	Reason given I vote yes for the promotion of Osmobyte. This will add more diversity of players to the wiki staff.
ShaneBuilding	Promotion	13 September 2023, 06:13	Reason given I vote YES to the promotion of Osmobyte. A long term, respected editor, this isn't really a question for me and I would have voted yes on Osmobyte even absent the surrounding drama.
Ranlen	Promotion	13 September 2023, 06:40	Reason given 100% deserved promotion, done tone of work on wiki
HermeticLock	Promotion	13 September 2023, 07:04	Reason given I vote yes for the promotion of Osmobyte. This will add more diversity of of players to the wiki staff.
P529	Promotion	13 September 2023, 07:18	Reason given Been active for about a year, did nothing shading from what I can tell in the history. (Might be a bit soon to be promoted but w/e)
S8n	Promotion	13 September 2023, 11:58	Reason given I vote yes to the promotion of Osmobyte
Chiekn	Promotion	13 September 2023, 13:26	Reason given Although im saying yes, I think this is a decision Osmobyte has to take himself. He has been very active in the wiki community, and made a great amount of edits and writing for the community. But I hope he will decide for himself, as a player that are not active anymore.
Steampunkjax1	Against	13 September 2023, 14:34	Reason given I vote that None of these changes should be done. The real bias on the wiki is all the people who started this vote. I have been contributing to this wiki for 3 years and I have never seen any bias in info used or put on a page by myself or any editor. Joey Galvatron and Leijurv should continue as staff and be the ones making the promotion Choices. Nothing should change due to this vote
Negative_Entropy	Promotion	13 September 2023, 16:21	Reason given I vote Yes to the promotion of Osmobyte. He has made major contributions and can provide new views.
NIgerianprince	Promotion	13 September 2023, 16:41	Reason given Osmobyte could bring new views and energy to the wiki team so yes
Todarac	Promotion	13 September 2023, 16:54	Reason given Voting yes to all the additions because I have no problem with any of them, and more diversity is a good thing :)
Travisimo	Promotion	13 September 2023, 17:12	Reason given I vote yes for all changes
A1fastyellowgto	Promotion	13 September 2023, 17:38	Reason given I vote yes for Osmobyte to be promoted. He is a neutral party and will be a good help for the wiki. Also, this is because I do not feel adequately represented by 3% of the community, and we need active and impartial representation.
Raaanch	Promotion	13 September 2023, 18:01	Reason given Yes
Leijurv	Against	13 September 2023, 18:23	Reason given I've had a conversation with D_loaded on Discord after seeing myself listed on this vote. We spoke at length, and my conclusion is that this is D_loaded is pursuing a vendetta rooted in personal dislike of myself, Joey, and the SpawnMasons. I tried at length to figure out exactly what the accusations of improper behavior are, but D_loaded's claims did not stand up to even basic fact checking. In the conversation, I said that I don't think I've ever wronged him, then he brought up "Skymasons censorship". I replied that there is an entire paragraph on the topic of skyfall here, and that no one had touched that paragraph since it was written in Dec 2022 (where's the censorship?). I asked him several times to give any example of where there was a biased or unfair "mason majority" (whether I was a part of it or not), but he could not. Then, completely unprompted, an hour later, he came back to the DM and started ranting about all the reasons why he personally dislikes me and the SpawnMasons, such as how I "robbed the entire server with no comm". He had no actual examples of me "attacking" him or his group. Also see here and here. Then, we got into the exact specifics of his dispute with Joey Coconut. We may have miscommunicated about the drama, and probably some of it took place off-wiki, but in the history of the main page that he was complaining about, which you can review here, I didn't see evidence for essentially any of his claims, even though I really tried to work with him and find some. At the end of the discussion, he admitted that "none of this matters" and "I don't want joey as staff anymore. My reasons are my own.". Hm. Well. In my mind, the issues about the wiki are the only relevant issue, and all I could see was extremely reasonable attempts to reach compromise. For example, the proposal to ban orsond last year was listed as a reason to demote Joey. But when I look at that page, it looks extremely fair and reasonable, weighing the impact of potentially banning Orsond quite carefully. The community was consulted, and Orsond was not banned. Again, I see no problem with this, just reasonable good-faith compromise on the part of Joey and the other admins. Wikis are all about compromise, and being made to compromise (rather than writing whatever you want) is actually a good thing. I also don't see how doing nocom makes me a bad admin; I understand it made D_loaded personally dislike me, but that's not a good enough argument. Therefore, I'm against these proposals.Clarification upon further reflection, as "I'm against these proposals" was ambiguous: I change to supporting Osmobyte, and I change to neutral on myself. Oppose on all other changes.
Breithan	Promotion	13 September 2023, 20:05	Reason given Seems active enough and I have no objections.
MrCK103	Promotion	14 September 2023, 00:59	Reason given I vote yes to the promotion of Osmobyte
Momana	Promotion	14 September 2023, 02:00	Reason given I agree with the recommendations for promotions of SoiledCold, Toska, Osmobyte for the good reasons repeatedly stated by the community.
IOSL	Promotion	14 September 2023, 02:23	Reason given Yes
KommunistKuba	Promotion	14 September 2023, 11:17	Reason given Osmobyte in my opinion is the strongest case in this entire proposal, he's shown that hes capable and passionate about the wiki, whilst he may have to learn more about the functions of the wiki and the details behind its operation, I'm fully confident in his ability to do so and to take on this role. This along with general good community standing and communication makes him a good choice for staff.
KILLAQUEEN123	Promotion	14 September 2023, 15:19	Reason given Yes
Joey_Coconut1	Promotion	14 September 2023, 15:47	Reason given Osmobyte is a respected longterm editor with links all over the community. Over the last two years, it has been my distinct privilege to watch him both grow as a writer, and as a respected community figure, and he is someone that seems nearly universally supported. He has also expressed to me that he is not interested in the position, though, and just wants to participate in the wiki. Frankly, this sort of aloof-yet-grindy attitude is something that further demonstrates his aptitude for this position. It is highly likely that he will, however say no to this position. I am still voting yes as I believe thoroughly that he is someone who genuinely cares about this site. Regardless of the circumstances of his nomination, I am firmly in support of Osmobyte.
Casparov	Promotion	14 September 2023, 16:20	Reason given I vote yes to the promotion of Osmobyte, despite his apparent disinterest in the position.
Amiaoghg	Against	14 September 2023, 17:40	Reason given No.
illumiwh	Promotion	14 September 2023, 17:56	Reason given Yes
Brickzebra	Promotion	14 September 2023, 19:14	Reason given Yes
FIRECATinBLACK	Promotion	14 September 2023, 22:02	Reason given I vote yes for the promotion of Osmobyte.
KitNightingale	Against	15 September 2023, 17:11	Reason given 'No' to the promotion of Osmobyte
MinecraftSimon	Promotion	15 September 2023, 17:56	Reason given Osmobyte is an active respected contributor who seems knowledgeable about 2b2t history and operations. He could bring a valuable perspective to the admin team.
Thranoz	Promotion	15 September 2023, 18:31	Reason given Great guy, would do a good job.
Nasder	Promotion	16 September 2023, 01:05	Reason given Yes
CirocDrip	Promotion	16 September 2023, 01:16	Reason given Yes
Skai256	Promotion	16 September 2023, 01:25	Reason given Osmobyte is a very active and trustworthy member of the 2b2t community and is involved with several groups on the server. He would be able to provide a lot of information and insight into pages.
FriedVEVO	Promotion	16 September 2023, 01:27	Reason given Osmo is a hard worker, give it to the man
Carl2b2t	Promotion	16 September 2023, 02:49	Reason given Yes
TheLastTemplar	Promotion	16 September 2023, 02:54	Reason given Longtime editor and up the the challenge.
RICELAND1	Promotion	16 September 2023, 11:54	Reason given Osmobyte is a great fit for staff and has contributed a lot to the wiki.
GrammarPolizei	Promotion	19 September 2023, 04:18	Reason given A great editor who, despite not being interested in getting promoted, is ironically the only proposed promotion who actually deserves it and benefits the wiki tremendously; so functionally, this vote is here to voice my appreciation :)
Beithir	Promotion	19 September 2023, 13:48	Reason given Osmo has been a neutral figure who has done nothing but positives, if anything is to come out of this whole debacle it should be his promotion.

Promotion of Toska

The following votes have been cast regarding the promotion of Toska to a 2b2t wiki staff member, totalling 30 votes for promotion and 40 votes against.

Wiki username	Vote decision	Date / time of vote (UTC)
lukent	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:40	Reason given I support this change, there needs to be some diversity on the staff team
Bills310	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:47	Reason given I support these changes, the timeline is becoming subjective, this isn't good and should be stopped
TakeoutMenu	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:52	Reason given I support these changes because the 2b2t wiki project has been stagnant for many years, failing to iterate upon itself and accurately represent the happenings within the 2b2t community. Bringing in new staff members will breathe life into the project, as well as bring in fresh perspectives towards documentation of the server.
Jakethesnake53	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:55	Reason given I support these changes
12master	Promotion	12 September 2023, 23:59	Reason given I support these changes.
EXM1LITARY	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:02	Reason given I Vote Yes, I support the changes because the spawnmasons have had control over the wiki since forever, its time for change.
Eaglevirtue	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:09	Reason given I vote yes, I will not look at some egotistical spawnmasons to think they are god and want to control the wiki.
ItsInvis	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:19	Reason given I vote yes, as if we want 2b2t's history to be open, the Spawn Masons should not hold absolute control over the wiki. The changes should be made.
D loaded	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:38	Reason given I vote yes for all the changes. The spawnmasons shouldn't have 100% of the staff team in the interest of fairness. Its time for change
Bezopasan	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:43	Reason given I support the promotion of Toska because one group shouldn't run the wiki alone.
Yamez8	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:47	Reason given After hearing what actually goes in to being an admin or whatever, I don't know if the Wiki Coalition actually understands what it takes and that it's more than just swapping people around. There's a lot more responsibility than just overseeing the 2b2t wiki, such as communicating with miraheze and whatnot. Anybody promoted should be fully aware of the commitment and tasks they would be signing up for. I platonically love Toska but want to make sure they are aware of the commitment and it won't be just tossing them to the wolves, so to speak. If they understand and are still willing, then I vote YES.
VaydenPayne	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:55	Reason given I vote YES to promotion
CadeTwo	Promotion	13 September 2023, 00:58	Reason given I vote yes to this change. Sites designed to represent the entire 2b2t community and history should not be managed by a single faction on the server.
Deathstar784	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:03	Reason given I Support this change.
Verydarkdorito	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:04	Reason given I vote YES for the same reason as my opinion as SoiledCold's promotion.
rrdrock	Against	15 September 2023, 11:13	Reason given I vote NO for the promotion of Toska after reconsideration. He has been inactive, and not made any reasonable contribution to the wiki
Sonnar180	Against	13 September 2023, 01:21	Reason given I do not support this change, as I believe that Toska does not have enough experience or time with the 2b2t wiki to be effective in an administrative position.
Aresyl	Against	13 September 2023, 01:31	Reason given I don’t know these people. 2b has older and younger individuals playing and contributing. The reality is that anybody can take this and power trip. Fuck when I was 12 I was given a mod role and totally abused that power. Made me feel shitty. Anybody can take advantage of anything, don’t think someone new will be any different but hold accountable the people who are. Only people who contribute to the wiki, are able to put aside their personal 2b2t group biases and can source their information should be allowed to contribute or moderate this. ALSO if this is actually the way anything will change, we need more unbiased information. I’ve heard confusing/biased info for years on the subreddit and it’s always changing. People love to make up ahit so just back up whatever you’re saying please.
Whygoodboyg	Promotion	13 September 2023, 01:33	Reason given I agree with the promotion.
Blocker	Against	13 September 2023, 01:57	Reason given I vote NO based on hearing that he is not actually that active unlike what D_Loaded had said.
Max1mumChr1s	Promotion	13 September 2023, 02:13	Reason given I vote yes to this change.
Hardboiledmegs	Against	13 September 2023, 02:15	Reason given I vote no on Toska. I feel like Toska is a great level headed person, and a respected member of the community, but he should be more active for a bit before we consider promoting him. Would love to see him promoted in the future, but for now I must regretfully vote no.
Osmobyte	Against	13 September 2023, 02:16	Reason given After careful consideration and a thorough reevaluation, I cannot expect much from him. His activity on the 2b2t Wiki have been rather middling, and most of his edits have been around his own respective projects. Although this provides new views to the wiki, I do not see this as a reason to promote him to an administrator, simply due to the fact that all it takes to create wiki content for your projects, like the rest of us, is to create a new draft and type. I am on the fence on this decision, as I see Toska as a well-rounded community leader, and given that he puts in more effort to the wiki as a whole I would be happy to reconsider. However, in this current state, my vote is no.
DefinitelyNotRpb	Against	13 September 2023, 02:25	Reason given I DO NOT support the changes because everyone making the proposed changes is a big stinky retard and should go back and crawl in their hole. The current admins could definitely make improvements to how they manage everything but the proposed changes are even worse and the biggest idiots have been suggested like Osmoshit and Toskshit. I vote to ban Osmobyte permanently and also vote to create 7garden on 9b9t
Orsond	Promotion	13 September 2023, 02:26	Reason given I vote YES to this motion.
Senko Foxx	Promotion	13 September 2023, 02:27	Reason given I vote yes for the promotion of Toska. This will add more diversity of players to the wiki staff.
EddyChong	Against	13 September 2023, 03:00	Reason given Change my mind after I saw his contribution which only focus on his own or his own group. Since there is a promotion system going on in the wiki team, I do not think Toska is a suitable candidate to be promoted straight into wiki staff team. He need to prove himself first in term of contribute to the whole 2b2t wiki.
Futsin1	Against	13 September 2023, 03:04	Reason given I vote no to Toska's promotion. He has made some quality contributions to the wiki, but I don't know if he would fit in an admin role at this time.
DanDucky	Against	13 September 2023, 03:44	Reason given I'm really not sure that this guy is active much in the community outside of his own group. Not a great example for what the wiki "needs".
Phosph0lipid	Promotion	13 September 2023, 05:46	Reason given I vote yes for the promotion of toska. The staff team needs more diversity.
ShaneBuilding	Promotion	13 September 2023, 06:13	Reason given I'm voting yes to the promotion of Toska in the interest of creating a more balanced group of staff on the Wiki, but my continued long-term support for them is contingent on the creation of a consistent contributions log containing high quality edits and drafts.
Ranlen	Against	13 September 2023, 06:40	Reason given he done almost no edits, why would he should have to be in staff when prior this event he had no interested in doing wiki staff.
HermeticLock	Promotion	13 September 2023, 07:04	Reason given I vote yes for the promotion of Toska. This will add more diversity of of players to the wiki staff.
P529	Against	13 September 2023, 07:18	Reason given Cant seem to find his wiki profile. If someone can provide me a link I might update this. Edit: I found his profile and he only edits his own page and his own groups page.
Jordanl666	Against	13 September 2023, 09:00	Reason given Not a good fit for admin.
S8n	Promotion	13 September 2023, 11:58	Reason given I vote yes to the promotion of Toska
Chiekn	Against	13 September 2023, 13:26	Reason given Feel like he only has done edits for himself, and his groups. Not enough done for the community in terms of edits.
Steampunkjax1	Against	13 September 2023, 14:34	Reason given I vote that None of these changes should be done. The real bias on the wiki is all the people who started this vote. I have been contributing to this wiki for 3 years and I have never seen any bias in info used or put on a page by myself or any editor. Joey Galvatron and Leijurv should continue as staff and be the ones making the promotion Choices. Nothing should change due to this vote
Negative_Entropy	Against	13 September 2023, 16:21	Reason given I vote No to the promotion of Toska. He can get there one day but right now I feel like he needs more activity / experience.
NIgerianprince	Against	13 September 2023, 16:41	Reason given He has not made any edits in months and only to his own pages so no i dont think he will be a good fit for the role of staff
Todarac	Promotion	13 September 2023, 16:54	Reason given Voting yes to all the additions because I have no problem with any of them, and more diversity is a good thing :)
Travisimo	Promotion	13 September 2023, 17:12	Reason given I vote yes for all changes
A1fastyellowgto	Promotion	13 September 2023, 17:38	Reason given I vote yes for Toska to be promoted. He is a neutral party and will be a good help for the wiki. Also, this is because I do not feel adequately represented by 3% of the community, and we need active and impartial representation.
Raaanch	Against	13 September 2023, 18:01	Reason given No
Leijurv	Against	13 September 2023, 18:23	Reason given I've had a conversation with D_loaded on Discord after seeing myself listed on this vote. We spoke at length, and my conclusion is that this is D_loaded is pursuing a vendetta rooted in personal dislike of myself, Joey, and the SpawnMasons. I tried at length to figure out exactly what the accusations of improper behavior are, but D_loaded's claims did not stand up to even basic fact checking. In the conversation, I said that I don't think I've ever wronged him, then he brought up "Skymasons censorship". I replied that there is an entire paragraph on the topic of skyfall here, and that no one had touched that paragraph since it was written in Dec 2022 (where's the censorship?). I asked him several times to give any example of where there was a biased or unfair "mason majority" (whether I was a part of it or not), but he could not. Then, completely unprompted, an hour later, he came back to the DM and started ranting about all the reasons why he personally dislikes me and the SpawnMasons, such as how I "robbed the entire server with no comm". He had no actual examples of me "attacking" him or his group. Also see here and here. Then, we got into the exact specifics of his dispute with Joey Coconut. We may have miscommunicated about the drama, and probably some of it took place off-wiki, but in the history of the main page that he was complaining about, which you can review here, I didn't see evidence for essentially any of his claims, even though I really tried to work with him and find some. At the end of the discussion, he admitted that "none of this matters" and "I don't want joey as staff anymore. My reasons are my own.". Hm. Well. In my mind, the issues about the wiki are the only relevant issue, and all I could see was extremely reasonable attempts to reach compromise. For example, the proposal to ban orsond last year was listed as a reason to demote Joey. But when I look at that page, it looks extremely fair and reasonable, weighing the impact of potentially banning Orsond quite carefully. The community was consulted, and Orsond was not banned. Again, I see no problem with this, just reasonable good-faith compromise on the part of Joey and the other admins. Wikis are all about compromise, and being made to compromise (rather than writing whatever you want) is actually a good thing. I also don't see how doing nocom makes me a bad admin; I understand it made D_loaded personally dislike me, but that's not a good enough argument. Therefore, I'm against these proposals.
Breithan	Against	13 September 2023, 20:05	Reason given Inactive and only edits about himself.
MrCK103	Promotion	14 September 2023, 00:59	Reason given I vote yes to the promotion of Toska
Momana	Promotion	14 September 2023, 02:00	Reason given I agree with the recommendations for promotions of SoiledCold, Toska, Osmobyte for the good reasons repeatedly stated by the community.
IOSL	Promotion	14 September 2023, 02:23	Reason given Yes
KommunistKuba	Against	14 September 2023, 11:17	Reason given Whilst it is important to consider the community standing of Toska, I ultimately believe that active interest in the wiki as a whole should determine his promotion. This seems absent, Toska primarally edits his own or his groups page or topics surrounding his group or himself on other pages. Whilst there is nothing wrong with the edits he's made I would like to see him try to make contributions to the wiki outside of himself or his group before being promoted to staff. In doing so he also is able to prove his objectivity within the wiki which I believe is important for a staff member.
KILLAQUEEN123	Against	14 September 2023, 15:19	Reason given No
Joey_Coconut1	Against	14 September 2023, 15:47	Reason given Toska is an individual I would have no qualms considering voting yes for is he was regularly active on this website - he is not. Toska has not edited this site in almost 6 months, and prior to that, the majority of his edits were largely placed on a single page. He does not have a strong history of contributing to this site. Outside of the wiki he is a well-known community figure that is generally even-tempered. These are good qualities that a good staff member should exhibit, but these are far from the only qualities that make a good staff member. To promote someone with this level of inactivity would not result in meaningful changes on the wiki, and could not reasonably be expected to bring him active here. He has recently become a Draft Mender and I don't think it unreasonable to say he should be discussed down the road should he demonstrate a higher level of activity and an understanding of the wiki's inner workings.
Casparov	Against	14 September 2023, 16:20	Reason given I vote no for the promotion of Toska.
Amiaoghg	Against	14 September 2023, 17:40	Reason given I vote no for the promotion of Toska.
illumiwh	Against	14 September 2023, 17:56	Reason given I vote no for the promotion of Toska.
Brickzebra	Against	14 September 2023, 19:14	Reason given I vote No for the promotion of Toska. This would result in more diversity of players to the wiki staff
FIRECATinBLACK	Promotion	14 September 2023, 22:02	Reason given I vote yes for the promotion of Toska.
Realbabbaj	Against	15 September 2023, 04:19	Reason given Inactive
KitNightingale	Against	15 September 2023, 17:11	Reason given 'No' to the promotion of Toska.
MinecraftSimon	Against	15 September 2023, 17:56	Reason given While Toska is a respected community member, he does not have enough recent involvement with the wiki to warrant a direct promotion to admin at this time.
Thranoz	Against	15 September 2023, 18:31	Reason given No reason to promote, the current staff is doing a good job.
Nasder	Against	16 September 2023, 01:05	Reason given No
CirocDrip	Against	16 September 2023, 01:16	Reason given No
Skai256	Against	16 September 2023, 01:25	Reason given Toska would not provide enough contributions to the wiki in the long term.
FriedVEVO	Against	16 September 2023, 01:27	Reason given No edits in 6 months, why is he being considered?
Linky2b2t	Against	16 September 2023, 01:28	Reason given No
Carl2b2t	Against	16 September 2023, 02:49	Reason given No
TheLastTemplar	Against	16 September 2023, 02:54	Reason given Inactive.
Poisonvenom	Against	18 September 2023, 19:58	Reason given D loaded minion
GrammarPolizei	Against	19 September 2023, 04:18	Reason given Does not contribute much outside of writing about his own group. Not to downplay Toska's contributions of course, but those contributions don't demonstrate a wider interest, usefulness, or even meritorious value in a promotion. Id est, writing about one's own exploits has personal value, but doesn't say much about how they function in a team who is interested in documenting the server-at-large.